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2011-08-15 at 22:44

Council defers decision on cell phone tower until Sept. 19

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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City council will wait until Sept. 19 to make a decision on whether or not give its nod of approval to Industry Canada on a proposed 165-foot communications tower Bell Canada wants to erect on John Street Road.

The decision to defer sending the federal government agency a letter of non-concurrence – the city’s only defence to prevent the tower from being built – came after a short, but heated debate in council chambers on Monday night.

McIntyre Coun. Trevor Giertuga, in whose ward the tower would reside, expressed outrage after the deferral was okayed, saying nothing administration’s report or that Bell Canada could say will change either his mind or those of his constituents.

Giertuga, who argued heatedly with Coun. Iain Angus during the early stages of the debate, said he was furious some members of council admitted they didn’t read a package prepared for them by resident Attilio Garo.

Regardless, the project should not go ahead, he said.

“This is a 165-foot tower with flashing lights right smack-dab in the middle of a residential area surrounding it,” Giertuga said after council had rendered its decision.

“Council has just deferred this back to get more information on other proposed sites. Well, this is the only site we’ve had an issue with to date. Bell came with absolutely no answers to that initial (Aug. 3) meeting for the residents and now we’re saying we want to hear their answers. They should have been prepared.”

Giertuga said he’s convinced council will simply push through their backing of the project, and are just “going through the motions.”

He found an ally in Mayor Keith Hobbs.

“I don’t think towers should be in residential areas anywhere,” Hobbs said. “Towers do not belong in residential areas, period.”

Garo, who said Bell Canada paid them little more than lip service during the public meeting earlier this month, was upset at council’s decision.

“City council let me down. They asked for a petition. We got them a petition. They asked for a letter, I wrote them a letter and half the city council wouldn’t read the letter and weren’t informed. I can’t believe it. The (lack of) support we got from here is incredible.”

Garo confronted development services manager Mark Smith in the hallway outside of council chambers, seeking an answer why the city won’t send a letter of non-concurrence to the federal government. Though Ottawa has the final say on the location, approval at the municipal level is usually taken into consideration before the sites are given the OK.

Smith told him the five-week delay might actually work in their favour.

“We may have better reasons to oppose this. At the moment, we don’t. At the moment all we have is the knowledge that a whole bunch of people in the neighbourhood don’t like it. That’s all we have,” Smith said.

Regina Street resident Marian Giorgio said council made a mistake by comparing the proposed tower to the other 15 that can be found throughout Thunder Bay.

It’s comparing apples to oranges, she said.

“This tower is different. It’s in a residential area, with two schools within a kilometre distance, with people and new houses,” she said.

Coun. Aldo Ruberto, who was ready to give Industry Canada a piece of his mind and voted against the deferral, said there must be other options for the tower.

 “They’re a blight on our community,” he said. “Thunder Bay is a big city. There’s lots of land. I’m sure they can find a place to put it ... They had their shot. They blew it.”

However, his Current River counterpart Andrew Foulds is taking a wait-and-see approach.

“What became clear tonight that a decision was not time-sensitive and I frankly think as a councillor that I have the responsibility to make decisions based on all the information, for the citizens that live in that immediate area, but also citizens that live all over our city,” said Foulds, who noted his vote could go either way next month, depending on what he hears. 

He just isn’t ready to jump the gun just because a neighbourhood group is pressuring him to do so. He’d like to see the city create a firm policy that deals with every situation, not just one.

“These communications towers are going up ... and many of them are in residential areas. If the decision is made based on information not to put these in residential areas, I’d rather make a systemic decision, rather than a one-off decision.”

Council, by virtue of a 6-6 tie, rejected a earlier call by Coun. Rebecca Johnson to refer the decision back to administration for more information.

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jimmyboy says:
Someone should inform HOBBS and Giertuga that there are towers in neighbourhoods all over Thunder Bay....maybe these 2 should do a walk about together...LOL.!

Just more of the clueless aspect of our elected officials shining thru.!
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8/15/2011 10:53:57 PM
TBDR says:
I didn't see Hobbs approve any of said towers. Perhaps if you ditched the personal vendetta and tried adding something constructive to the conversation you might be taken a little more seriously Jim.
8/16/2011 8:45:13 AM
chezhank says:
tbayguy009 got it right when he wrote that this is competition for TBayTel and is why it is making news.
8/15/2011 11:26:10 PM
plzthinkfirst says:
I live close to here. Build this tower. More hand sitting by council. Thanks for nothing.
8/15/2011 11:37:30 PM
realist says:
This tower is not needed. Bell is already using tbaytel's tower on East Avenue at Dawson Road to provide service to the area.
8/16/2011 12:03:40 AM
plzthinkfirst says:
There should be some competition for TbayTel. I'm surprised (but not surprised) that CRTC let Rogers force all its customers to go with TbayTel. This isn't Russia, we deserve some options. I like out "4G" service, where I get faster transfer speeds on the old 2G EDGE network!
8/16/2011 12:27:07 AM
realist says:
You are so misinformed, the CRTC had nothing to do with the approving the sale of Rogers 807 customers to tbaytel.

Honestly, where do you people get your information from?

If you are going to post outrageous comments about 2G being faster than 4G, then I can't wait to see the pictures.

In my basement with 0 bars I still get speeds that exceed what 2G is even capable of. When the best EDGE modulation and coding scheme is being used, the maximum downlink is 296 kbit/s. In uplink direction, the limit is 178 kbit/s.

I took a screen shot of my phone this morning with NO bars of service (in my basement) and I was still almost as fast as the theoretical maximum speed for Edge.

Then I went upstairs (to my living room) which gave me 3 bars of service and ran the test again. This time my speed was more than 4X faster than the limit that Edge can do under optimum conditions.

Tbnewswatch.com

8/16/2011 8:57:22 AM
tbayguy009 says:
Yeah SO WHAT!

Does open competion from competitors scare you that much?

Oh i get it, you work for, or have close ties to TBayTel.

Open up the darn market already. Stop the protectionism! The customers should have the right to choose the best option for themselves.

Let me put it to you this way, if Rogers left the area for lack of support they why would another competitor want to build more support (towers) for customers, given the history of Rogers in the area.

Let the big boys duke it out with actual customer service and the people choose.

Sorry to break it to ya, but Bell is bigger, therefor more competitive and international. The attempts to pluck at people's heart strings because TBayTel is local is getting a little old and tiring.
8/16/2011 10:02:32 AM
wayne says:
Such a joke! Oh, and apparently I, one lone individual, is viewed as an antongonist to the anti-wind farm group....lol. Just because I challenge their opinions and state scientific facts!...lol. They need to grow up, and man up...lol check 'em out...lol
8/16/2011 12:30:47 AM
tiredofit says:
Wayne, more and more you prove to the world that you have such a hate on for the Save The Norwesters Group, South Neebing Residents who are doing nothing more than standing up for what they believe in. I suggest the one that needs to grow up is you. From what I've seen, you go their daily and harass them, yet they keep approving all of your posts. They post the word black, you argue white.

Let's see your facts? Oh wait, it's the stuff written by the Wind Industry! What a looser.
8/17/2011 7:44:36 AM
wayne says:
Citizens who oppose cell phone towers, take notice of the following video which clearly shows that they are unsafe! You can find similar videos/photos for how unsafe wind turbines are, even though the probability of such events are not referenced....lol


8/16/2011 1:03:16 AM
arnold says:
and we should not build homes either because they collapse also.
8/16/2011 11:09:36 AM
realistic1 says:
Sending things back to admin for more information....that's generally the TBay councillor's solution to not ever having to make a decision.
8/16/2011 5:02:50 AM
spencer's_gurl says:
hurry up and decide where to put it...we need the competition and better service. When you look around and see the hydro towers and other communication's towers that are all around, what difference does one more make?
8/16/2011 6:08:48 AM
loring says:
tower or no tower if you think bell canada is competition for tbaytell just ask the rural people how much they pay to bell for phone service.
8/16/2011 7:34:02 AM
ring of fire dude says:
Perhaps we should just ban all cell phones and tear down all the towers in this city and go back to the stone age . That would keep in line with the way this city council thinks and acts .
8/16/2011 7:47:51 AM
T_Bay says:
We want and need new industry in Thunder Bay. Yet we continue to show those businesses we so desperately need that we, the citizens of Thunder Bay, will fight you every step of the way whether it be a big project such as the wind farm or something as small as a cell phone tower....a city can only thrive if its citizens think of what is good for the city as a whole.....i live near the proposed site and beg my neighbours to please simply let this get done....
8/16/2011 8:28:30 AM
tannharr says:
Well said! Many people complain that things are horrible in Thunder Bay. Yet these are the very same people that complain when the city is trying to move forward. Once again, by showing big corporations and outside investors that we enjoy forming groups to oppose development, we scare them away. Pretty soon there will be no developers and no reason to form these opposition groups. Thunder Bay needs to get with the times, and start accepting that we've been lacking for the past 2 decades.
8/16/2011 10:03:14 AM
ircorrect says:
I don't know what the fuss is about. I used to live on Regina about 200 ft from where the tower is proposed to be installed. My parents still live there. There are far bigger eyesores in the form of some of the houses on that street. People shouldn't be complaining about a cell tower that will be erected next to a hydro tower on a beautiful street that already has some big (very big) ugly houses.
8/16/2011 8:40:35 AM
plumps says:
Although I can say that I wouldn't be a fan of a large tower in my back yard, I think some competition for TBaytel would be a great thing!

This following link is to a site with a map of cell towers in Canada. You can zoom in to see Thunder Bay. This isn't the first tower in a residential area in town, and I am sure it won't be the last.


8/16/2011 8:48:35 AM
jimmyboy says:
Hey TBDR....Hobbs biggest fan....read below and I quote your hero...

"“I don’t think towers should be in residential areas anywhere,” Hobbs said. “Towers do not belong in residential areas, period.”

Need I say more..??? Hobbs should really get out more.!
Tbnewswatch.com

8/16/2011 9:09:52 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
No-one should be allowed to erect such ugly things in decent neighbourhoods.
8/16/2011 9:17:16 AM
staying in the bush says:
Badger you elitist not put in decent neighbourhoods . So if you want to put a tower up only head to less than desirable neighborhoods I guess is your approach I should not be surprised on of the leaders of the NIMBY party. Happy as long as it is in the less desirable area of town.
8/16/2011 11:56:50 AM
newshound says:
I wish Bell and all the other cell phone companies would come back to Thunder Bay, ever since switching from Rogers to TBAYTEL( Not by choice) my cell phone service is terrible... maybe some new towers might be helpful to everyone in the city. I say if a tower needs to be built, build it.. Quit your complaining every time something needs to be built in this city!! Friggin whiners!!! Build it on my street, its called technology people, get used to it.. in the future there will be more things just like this for our convenience!!
8/16/2011 9:20:26 AM
Papercut says:
Wow.....it is interesting how Giertuga is up in arms over this TINY tower in his neighbourhood, yet he very clearly SUPPORTED the errection of 1000 foot wind turbines (despite outcry from people in that area)!

Unbelievable!
8/16/2011 9:46:22 AM
nads74 says:
So let get this straight..>Trevor can so "sure go ahead" for a bunch of turbines but ONE communications tower that pretty much ALL of us use he says "no" ya nice try.
8/16/2011 10:09:00 AM
bonzo says:
this is krull all over again!
8/16/2011 10:53:04 AM
itshell says:
OMG...what a City....LOL
8/16/2011 12:47:26 PM
eddylives says:
Cell service in this town sucks....
Bring on the competition and get the service working.
I should not have to give up making a call with my t baytel cell and resort to a land line due to the call dropping every 20 seconds...
What a joke cell service is since the "big change".
Why should I recieve a text sent today some time tomorrow??
If you are un-able to provide a decent service then step aside and let the big boys show you how its done lmao
8/16/2011 4:09:34 PM
debt collector says:
Working at a collection agency has taught me those who complain the most, tend to pay their bills the least often. I'd take the negative comments toward tbaytel with a large grain of salt.

We see people time and again who default on one carrier then jump to another only to default on that carrier as well. The stories they come up with are precious. If I had a dollar for every time a debtor used the line they didn't provide me with service, so I'm not paying my bill, I'd be rich.

We place notes in their collections account and they use the same story for every provider, it's hilarious.

"If you are un-able to provide a decent service then step aside and let the big boys show you how its done lmao"

Considering Rogers is the biggest of the big boys, I'd say your comment has zero validity.

8/16/2011 8:23:28 PM
tbayguy009 says:
Well, hey isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?

Are you complaining about the complainers who actually give you a job to complain from?

Oh I will complain about lack of competition, but I pay my bills, and guess what, I don't even own a cell phone! I want my land line and internet service bills to be competitively priced! What do I get after almost 30 years? Constantly increasing rates while I watch the surplus profits get dumped into the city's own slush fund. Year after year after year.
8/17/2011 1:12:08 PM
realist says:
Do I need to do your homework for you yet again?

All prices are based on Northern Ontario addresses. These are everyday bundled prices, not special promotional offers. All companies offer traditional phone service, except for Shaw who uses an internet protocol to provide phone service.

tbaytel - $55.90 - Basic Home Phone $20.95 (includes call display & name display) - 8MB DSL Internet $34.95

Bell Canada - $59.87 - Basic Home Phone $22.92 - 6MB DSL Internet $36.95 - Bell also charges admin fees - $29.95 for DSL and $55.00 for Home Phone

DMTS - $58.28 - Basic Home Phone $21.33 - 8MB DSL Internet $36.95 - DMTS also charges admin fee - $32.00 and Line Connection fee of $18.75 for Home Phone

KMTS (owned by Bell) - $65.00 - Basic Home Phone $25.00 - 7MB DSL Internet $40.00

Shaw - $63.95 - Basic Home Phone $24.95 (includes call display & shaw to shaw calling) - 7.5MB High Speed Internet $34.95

Well, well, well. Looks like good old tbaytel comes out with the best pricing once again.

To shoot down any biases, I also got on-line quotes from Telus (Calgary) and Rogers (Mississauga).

Telus - $59.00 - Basic Home Phone $25.00 (includes one calling feature) - 6MB DSL Internet $34.00

Rogers - $63.90 - Basic Home Phone $26.91 - 3MB High Speed Internet $36.99 - Rogers also charges $49.00 for Installation / Delivery Charges

Again good old tbaytel offers the best rates.
8/18/2011 12:07:03 AM
tbayguy009 says:
I did homework on this and commented on this a couple months ago. Geez. Get a life.

Everything out west is cheaper. Everything down south is cheaper.

AND ... have you heard the new Shaw telephone and internet offer??? I don't think so.
8/19/2011 3:48:02 PM
debt collector says:
You obviously didn't read what "realist" wrote. They clearly stated "All prices are based on Northern Ontario addresses. These are everyday bundled prices, not special promotional offers."

If you want to talk special promotional offers, tbaytel is selling home phone and internet for less than $35.00.



Sadly, I don't qualify because I live in an area serviced by Bell.

Or how about this offer for tv and internet customers.



Some pretty sweet deals.
8/19/2011 11:10:12 PM
tbayguy009 says:
I did read that comment about all prices being for NWO. That is the whole monopoly issue about TbayTel keeping us in a teleco island, while the rest of the continent has competition.

8/20/2011 5:39:07 PM
tiredofit says:
Realist, while all the pricing might be comparative, I think the big issue for al lot of folks is the customer service that TBTel provides, or the lack thereof. I can tell you as a business owner, I switched to Shaw the minute it became available simply because of that very issue. What used to take literally weeks now takes a couple of days or in most cases hours to get resolved.

The difference in Internet service between Shaw & TBTel is night and day, the best I ever got out of TBTel was 2-3 mb, Shaw – 15 mb (home I get unreal speeds, 30+mb) and let me tell you, when you rely on your internet as part of your business, it makes a HUGE difference many ways!

I've also dealt with Bell on the Fiber side of business as well and again, their services vs TBTel is much better, so on with the competition, perhaps TBTel will finally wake up and smell the roses.

Yes, Shaw has some issues as well, however anytime I've dealt with them they've been top notch, infact I was down for about 6 hours one day and not only did they bend over backwards to fix it, they also credit the entire amount of that months bill. Now that's customer service.

This city mentalilty that we need to only support TBTel is a lame one, why? because the city ownes it? They give back to the City? They employee folks? Guess what, all these other companies do as well.
8/20/2011 12:12:07 PM
educator says:
If you think Shaw's customer service is better, than your experience was different than mine.

When I phoned to inquire about Shaw all the girl wanted to do was badmouth tbaytel. She didn't offer a comparative, but rather a narrative about how bad tbaytel was. That was the end of my conversation with them. I wanted to be educated about what they offered, not preached to about how terrible she thought the competition was.

I'll never make the mistake of exploring other options again. My money will stay local.
8/21/2011 12:52:31 PM
unknowncronic says:
That's where cell towers belong, right smack-dab in the middle of a residential area, CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE THAT USE CELLPHONES! Don't complain about you "poor cell service if they put the tower way out of town...What a waste of time this topic is.
8/16/2011 8:48:04 PM
inmyhumbleopinion says:
I have had a cell phone for a number of years and had always gone with Rogers. I would say that at that time the cost was fair. My husband and I are now with TBayTel Mobility and I have to say that since they have changed this network we are paying a lot more than we used to! We travel a lot and sometimes leave the kids at home. With our new 4G network we get charged much more for calls home and something new we were never charged for before is the texting (which used to be free on the old network) When we were told of this we wanted to go with a different provider but there really isn't another one at the moment. I think that competition is good. I would love to have the freedom to shop around and find a plan that works for our lifestyle. As it is now, we don't have that luxury.
8/17/2011 10:51:59 AM
realist says:
What you consider "fair" was in most cases far below the cost of providing service, hence the reason Rogers is no longer in Northern Ontario.

Are you saying tbaytel is the only company that charges for texting when you don't have a texting plan? According to Rogers website, - - you have to buy a messaging bundle or value pack or else it's $0.15 per text.

Strange thing tbaytel's rate plan sheet - - also gives you the option to buy a messaging bundle or value pack or else it's $0.15 per text. If you check out their calls plans, they even have the option of adding texting as a free feature.

Again, you people really need to do your homework before committing your fingers to the keyboard. Spreading fictional information does nothing to straighten your argument, it actually works against you when someone like me takes the time to research a subject.
8/17/2011 12:08:41 PM
jasper says:
more importantly how did trevor's hair look on tv. get out of the tanning booth and give your head a shake benjamin buttons.
8/17/2011 11:35:49 AM
North18 says:
I think the argument about city council not wanting some competition in this city for Tbaytel is bang on. Here is a list of some of the spots that Tbaytel has their towers in the city and that are located within a stones throw of residential areas.( I may miss some of the towers so feel free to add them if you know of one)

Mountain Rd in behind the Tournement Center- beside it, a house!

Riverview Dr at Donald St W- across the street about 50 feet, peoples houses!

Harold St behind Breeny's- 50 feet across the street again. more houses!

Across the street from Pinedale Pl in the park and right in behind someones house, and theres even a school 100 feet from there too, oh my

Two towers on Con College property, one close to the dorms and the other near Edward St, across the street from there, you guessed it, houses.

Marion and Leslie Ave- houses all around there!

Dawson Rd at East Ave- houses right across the street.

Im sure theres more towers in the city that I missed but my point is that I never once heard any discussions when any of these towers went up but maybe thats becasue they were Tbaytel towers so how dare anyone stop them!

I think the Bell tower should go up but if city council is going to make a stink about this one tower then they should go back and look at all the other existing towers because if their argument is that a tower shouldn't be in a residential area, then they should move all the others ones too.

But then again, I think this is only becoming an issue becasue its Bell and not Tbaytel!

8/17/2011 1:53:06 PM
realist says:
It's an issue because 110 people have signed a petition. We bitch, moan and complain that city council never listens to us, then when they do, we complain about that.

It's not for the city to decide, this decision rests solely with Industry Canada. If the tower is within their accepted use policy, then they'll approve it. If it does not, then they won't. It's cut and dry, the city has no say in the matter.

For the 3rd or 4th time, this site will not change the dynamics of cell service in the area. Service is already being provided by Tbaytel and Bell from a site less than a KM away.

I've said it before, bring on Bell but don't you dare complain when your taxation level rises and your service level drops because of the loss of tbaytel revenue.
8/17/2011 8:03:48 PM
tbayguy009 says:
Well exactly! If the city council wrote this letter to the CRTC they would possibly be opening themselves up for litigation under the Competition Act of Canada. Being cell tower owners themselves, and then discouraging the instalation of any competitors towers, would be just a wee bit too abvious to avoid potential legal action, I think. That is possibly why Bell Canada was caught off guard when the angry mob rushed at them in their open house meeting.
8/17/2011 9:11:53 PM
realist says:
"But then again, I think this is only becoming an issue becasue (sic) its (sic) Bell and not Tbaytel!"

Another argument that holds no water considering Bell has already erected two towers in the city, one at the College and another at the Airport.

Plus the city never "prevented" Rogers or Superior Wireless from erecting towers when they were in competition with tbaytel.

Lots of conspiracy theorists on this forum.

8/18/2011 12:12:51 AM
inmyhumbleopinion says:
@ realist..
I didn't explain myself correctly. I obviously didn't mean that texting is free. What I meant is that on the old plan when we were in the U.S. on top of our regular messaging package charge we didn't pay anything extra to text. Now we do and there is no international texting plan available so basically you pay the 15 cents per text no matter what. There is no getting around it. I know this because last time I was away we called and spoke to someone at tbaytel and that is what I was told. Also, the only way to get a deal to use your phone for calls while away was to add on some ridiculous minute plan that allowed you to have so many minutes for a certain price. Its stupid and ends up costing much more than it used to. They used this "new network" to just charge people as much as possible. And btw I didn't have to "do my research" I just had to speak of the actual experience I had. I don't have to research something that is on paper (on my bill) right in front of me. So thanks 'realist' for putting me in my place. I know what I'm talking about and I'm not happy and neither are a lot of other people in this city. Its always the same thing with whatever it is you are trying to buy or whatever service you are trying to get.... we get screwed.
8/17/2011 6:00:56 PM
realist says:
Please feel free to post your Rogers bills, showing "free" everything in the States.

You can't and won't because it didn't and doesn't exist. Rogers only recently came out with a $10.00 US texting package, before that it was $0.75 per text in the US.

As far as Rogers calling plans, unless you were on a "Canada One Plan" then you were paying the same if not more than the the cheapest tbaytel US minute plan which gives you 20 minutes for $15.00 or $0.75 per minute.

The burden of proof is yours, you can continue to make unsubstantiated claims or you can post a copy of you Rogers bill.

post = credibility - non-post = opinion
8/18/2011 12:07:42 PM
stopthehandouts says:
build the tower already, 165 footer with flashing lights! sweet like having a christams tree all year!
8/17/2011 6:57:36 PM
ring of fire dude says:
I think I can smell a lawsuit wafting through the air . Kinda reeks like collusion between Tbay.tel and city council+administration against Bell. Bell should have a field day with this one , If theres any money left from everybody else suing the city .
8/17/2011 8:04:51 PM
wayne says:
tiredofit,

"Wayne, more and more you prove to the world that you have such a hate on for the Save The Norwesters Group, South Neebing Residents who are doing nothing more than standing up for what they believe in. I suggest the one that needs to grow up is you. From what I've seen, you go their daily and harass them, yet they keep approving all of your posts. They post the word black, you argue white.

Let's see your facts? Oh wait, it's the stuff written by the Wind Industry! What a looser."

tiredofit, I have stated this on more than one occasion that I do NOT hate that group, its members, or the residents of South Neebing. What I've said is that I do not agree with their 'beliefs' and unscientific claims and opinions. I challenge the information and for that I am accused of harassing that group? Sounds like an insecure group if they can't tolerate opposing facts.

Oh, and by the way someone who can't spell loser correctly is a loser...lol This is not the first time you have used 'looser'...lol
8/18/2011 3:31:00 PM
inmyhumbleopinion says:
The texting that was included in the messaging pack (as in no extra fees) was on the old Tbaytel network. This is not an option that is available any longer. Thats why you can't find it on any website realist as they NO LONGER OFFER IT. Which is why I am annoyed. Because I feel that if I am already paying for a service I shouldn't have to repay. I believe in competition. I switched my phone and internet to shaw because its cheaper...for the SAME service tbaytel was offering. I don't feel that I need to be loyal to a local service at a cost to me. SO bring it on it Bell. If its going to be cheaper I'll be one of your customers. Oh and I pay my bill in full every month. I only switch if its going to save me money because really why wouldn't I? Money is always better in my pocket than in someone else's...and I feel that the people of Thunder Bay would agree. We need the ability to make our own choices...and have some variety.
8/18/2011 7:58:21 PM
lefty says:
Wayne, I think the joke's on you. Try and keep up. It's like saying "Looooooser" real slow, but I digress.

The real point to make here is to see how hypocritical Mr. Giertuga really is. He couldn't wait to vote on the wind farm. Now he's back talking about one little tower in his back yard. Talk about NIMBY's. I'm wondering if they'res any MacIntyre folks out there who laughed at the Neebing residents over the past two years. I said before, remember, this is in their back yard now, but one day it will be in yours. Now it's here. Enjoy your radiating antennae tower.
8/18/2011 10:07:56 PM
tiredofit says:
Why has no one asked who owns the property? Do a little research, it might suprise you. Hint, starts with a T and ends in a N.
8/19/2011 7:42:21 PM
Topgun_tb says:
Trevor Giertuga had no problem supporting 600' tall industrial turbines in South Neebing, so what's the big deal with a 165' cell phone tower on John Street Road? Sounds like a case of NIMBY.
8/19/2011 8:44:20 PM
wayne says:
Nice try lefty, but sticking up for tiredofit's spelling errors is being a loooooooooser....lol
8/19/2011 9:36:06 PM
tiredofit says:
Wow, one simple spelling mistake, big deal, welcome to the real world. Like I said, you will jump on ANY opportunity to complain about me or them.
8/20/2011 11:57:34 AM
spooner19 says:
realist says:This tower is not needed. Bell is already using tbaytel's tower on East Avenue at Dawson Road to provide service to the area.

Wow i guess Bell just has nothing better to do but erect towers for no reason? Maybe you should call them and let them know they don't need this one because they already have the use of the one on East Ave.
8/20/2011 10:31:49 AM
wayne says:
600' tall turbines...so you are claiming that they will be 200 metres from base to tip?...such a joke...and even if they were...more 'power' to them...lol
8/21/2011 12:42:04 AM
tiredofit says:
Wayne, the current planned turbine are 465ft high, the second round of tentative ones are just over 600ft and the city lifted the limit the had originally imposed on Horizon and turbine height. If they can get 1000ft turbines, Horizon made it clear that they would install them. Do your homework buddy
8/21/2011 11:48:13 AM
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