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2012-05-07 at 16:51

Waterfront crossroads

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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Recent discoveries at the waterfront will further delay any plan for Phase 2 of the development to go ahead and will come with a hefty price tag yet to be determined.

Phase 2 would see 300 new boat slips built in the tugboat basin at Prince Arthur’s Landing. While the project was put on hold after Phase 1 of the development ate into the city’s original $7 million earmarked for the project, an environmental assessment continued.

That process uncovered a concrete-filled barge, old cribs and bumpers and the remains of a dock from 1882 that are of archeological interest. 

Under provincial legislation, the city now has to decide whether to reduce the number of slips and let the objects stay where they are, put the objects on display and preserve them or maybe just move the whole new expansion to another part of the marina.

City community and emergency services manager Greg Alexander said every one of the options that will be presented to city council later this fall will mean money and time.

“We have some obstacles we have to overcome,” he said. “We have to identify them and deal with them.”

The city was hoping to leverage the original $7 million into $22 million, which is what the expansion would cost in 2007, through senior levels of government like it did with Phase 1.

But with less money and an ever increasing price tag, Alexander said the project won’t get done until funding is found.

“We know it’s increased since (2007). I think the last figure was somewhere in the 28 to $30 million figure. We do not have the $7 million we originally had set aside for this because we have had to use it for a variety of things including this environmental assessment that we’ve been going through so we are back to looking at the funding and seeing where that would come from,” he said.

The city also said that changes to the province’s environmental assessment will also add time and money to the project.
 

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ring of fire dude says:
Wow ... awesome Due diligence on the part of the construction engineers to sniff out this new snag in Phase 2 ,anyone walking near this spot could see the old barge and pilings in the water .
5/7/2012 5:11:13 PM
woodzee says:
We have a long history of trying to 'Booster' these towns into the "Chicago of the North". Thunder Bay has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the saying "if you build it they will come" is false and has not worked for over 100 years. Drive down Hwy 11 and 17 and you will notice many run down motel and outfitting enterprises that have failed. I call these the "highway of broken dreams".
5/8/2012 9:33:28 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
I could never understand why in the first place the boat marina was being pushed to the south, where it's really shallow water, those responsible must have known they'd run into problems, or they're incompetent and should be given a proper cashiering. Why didn't they move north, where there's deeper water? What if you made dumb moves like this, repeatedly, when working for a private company? One expensive stumble after another, with a white lie and an excuse between every slip-up...
5/7/2012 5:28:45 PM
wayne says:
closing the conservatory and municipal golf course will fund phase 2 shortfalls...NOT! and the city is looking at building a multi-tax events centre? stay tuned for tax hikes!
5/7/2012 5:40:13 PM
woodzee says:
This was an architectural concept. There was no E.A. so there may be more surprises down the line. I would look at relocating the marina and entice other hoteliers.
5/7/2012 7:30:33 PM
waterunderthebridge says:
People are dumping on the Cons for trying to make some of the environmental review mess (at least the Federal ones) a little more efficient both from a cost, environment and timeliness point of aspect. Noting this weekends protest. But this is a prime example of what is occuring across our country and especially in this province. Another obvious example of this, all that one has to do is look at the amount of time and money spent on archaeologists digging and sifting their way through tons of dirt along the new Highway from Hodder Avenue to Pass Lake. That cost is borne by all taxpayers. That money probably would have built an extra mile of highway or been better used in health care. There is a cost to our society and we have let the pendulum swing to widely to the side where we cant do anything unless it is studied to death. In this day and age with the technology that we have available we no longer need to dig things apart piece by piece supervised by some PHD.
5/7/2012 7:33:30 PM
wayne says:
don't worry folks, according to Vision 2040, we will have monorails, L-trains, ferries, and green and clean buses operating 15 minutes at each stop, 24/7 to get us to and from the entertainment district of thunder bay safely and quickly. the cost is the uncertain 'surprise' factor, but what the heck, it's future generations that have to worry about it...lol
5/7/2012 10:05:18 PM
panzerIV says:
Phase 2 is in the ReNew Thunder Bay plan and is number 1 on the priority list. While that may have changed since the document was released in 2009-2010 it is still considered a "generation project".

The project will go slower then phase 1 because there is no dates set, so phase 2 will be like phase 1 would have been. You will likely see the removal of the items one summer then small amounts of work each summer till its done. The money will come from the Tbaytel and Thunder Bay hydro dividends which are sitting in a bank account collecting interest. If they can't leverage funds from the other levels now, then do a little bit of work at a time till they can.

I think with the items that the city has on its plate now it needs to do them. Then take a step back and look at what it has, breathe and take a rest. Maybe we need to look again at the park's plan to reduce the number of arenas/ball parks to help repair the other ones.
5/7/2012 11:07:40 PM
unknowncronic says:
"We do not have the $7 million we originally had set aside for this because we have had to use it for a variety of things including this environmental assessment"?????????????????????

You would think ALL assesments would have been the 1st thing done before ANY ground was touched? And the million dollar bent poles are still a waste of taxpayer money.
5/8/2012 12:42:19 AM
DougMyers says:
They are trying to skirt the issue here. We don't have the money because they dipped into it to cover the massive overruns from Phase 1.

If you talk with anyone that worked down there, they can tell you why there were overages, MISMANAGEMENT AND INEPT ENGINEERING!

Why does city council continue to just let people off the hook for their mistakes?
5/8/2012 8:35:08 AM
feduptaxpayer#1 says:
That's a very expensive hole in the ground, Tim Commieissio! Why don't we deduct it from YOUR salary!?
5/8/2012 1:59:18 AM
maggie says:
I believe all the dollars that were spent on bent polls, rock kiddie statues paintings and on and on could of been better spent on neccesary things that envolve people actually using the Marina for their pleasure.
We have enough wood in our area we dont need a bunch of logs laying all over the place ugly. This ceromony centre or whatever it is could of been built up on the mountain as a tourist attraction along with the big fire pit. I find anything that goes up lately either has rocks or logs piled somewhere in the design. Moving garbage from one area to another doesnt make a city beautiful.
5/8/2012 8:04:05 AM
jimmyboy says:
Yet another classic "BLUNDER" on top of a previous classic blunders which really should not be all that shocking to anyone who pays attention as to how things are done here in Thunder Bay...this can be seen as just another day in the course of doing business here...sad but laughable at the same time is it not.??
5/8/2012 8:09:42 AM
grs says:
So it sounds like the scope is changing, the schedule is unknown, and the budget is increasing. Who do they have for a project manager - a 9 year old? My apologies to 9 year olds since there are likely many that could at least hit one of those targets.
5/8/2012 9:05:37 AM
yer joking says:
Maybe it's time that these Fancy yacht owners paid for the docks rather than the public subsidizing them. Better yet get them off of City property as there are private Marinas offering the same if not beter services.
5/8/2012 9:13:50 AM
vimeo says:
Uh, they do pay for the docks....and have been for years....long before they even talked about sprucing up the marina. They're the ones subsidizing the marina; not the other way around.

Just wondering smart guy...what is a "marina" without boats?
5/8/2012 12:54:46 PM
Chaos says:
Drunken sailor mentality at it's best....
5/8/2012 10:49:19 AM
humnchuck says:
If rotting pilings and old docks constitute "archeological interest", then the banks of the Kam are a gold mine!
5/8/2012 12:10:19 PM
crazyforweed says:
City should have left the marina the way it was ! well some upgrades anyway but not one's like these .. you wiped out a whole parking lot , there was enough slip's for boats in my opinion as some we're even empty ! so why we need more ? also ..seeing as they took out the roller coaster at chippewa why not make the marina a big attraction by moving that whole park to the marina.. that would've been to easy i guess and to much of a attraction this city just seem's to listen to the rich while the middle-class families etc ,get ingored totaly off topic but dont care
5/8/2012 1:43:19 PM
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