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2012-05-11 at 15:21

Hotel a go after OMB appeal dropped

By Jamie Smith,
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A proposed five-storey hotel in Thunder Bay’s Intercity area will go ahead.

Markham-based Easton’s Group of Hotels received approval to build a 142-room Marriott Town Place Suites hotel on land near the Real Canadian Superstore earlier this year. But an appeal to the Ontario Municipal Board from Superstore owner Loblaws Properties West threatened to halt the development, which would also include two restaurants and a retail store.

But as of Friday, Easton CEO Steve Gupta said Loblaw’s has dropped its appeal.

“That situation is resolved hopefully. There will be a couple of minor issues but I’m confident they’ll be resolved. I’m really pleased Loblaws took that stand and have withdrawn their appeal, which is good news for everybody because litigation doesn’t help anyone,” Gupta said.

Gupta said the appeal has delayed the project by three months but construction should now begin within 45 days.

Speculation that a Harvey's would be attached to this development has also ended. 

Thompson Centre's Inc says they've decided to go forward with an A& W restaurant. Negotiations continue for the addition of a sit-down restaurant

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SandHawk says:
Like we need another A&W in Thunder Bay, It would have been a nice change to have Harveys back, Then just haveing A&W,Wendy's,Burger King,And McDonalds here.
5/11/2012 3:51:14 PM
TBDR says:
Quit whining! This is a positive development. Why can't you just see the huge upside?! We are getting a MARRIOTT SUITES!!! That's dozens of new jobs!
5/11/2012 4:03:57 PM
keiths31 says:
If you want a Harvey's, then put up the money to build one.
5/11/2012 4:11:10 PM
trent says:
Some local business person should bring the franchise back here, I'm sure it would do well.
5/11/2012 4:48:40 PM
tsb says:
Someone already owns the rights to it, and refuses to allow a Harveys or a few other chain restaurants to be built here, for some reason.

The corporate head quarters for some of those restaurants also have requirements that local potential franchise owners refuse to honour, so they won't let the brand operate here.
5/11/2012 6:08:15 PM
Swirly-Q says:
That's very interesting. I wasn't aware that such a thing could be done.

Where did you get this information? Could you share more?
5/11/2012 10:02:54 PM
random says:
You should put the cap back on that glue...fumes yanno.
No corporation anywhere would allow someone to own rights to their brand and do squat with it, or not honor something. That is a sad Thunder Bay urban legend.
Thunder Bay is the hot spot for greasy unhealthy fast food joints to hit tho, just look at Wendys when it came here...lineups down the block. Nothing says backwards hicktown like that. I imagine Harveys would come back if it was feasable for them.
You should talk to a franchise owner here, they will tell what is required, and nowhere do you get to "own the rights" without their approval and you building and towing THEIR line.
5/11/2012 11:51:22 PM
unionbay880 says:
Don't lie.
5/12/2012 9:08:15 AM
keiths31 says:
That isn't even close to being true. Cara (the owners of Harvey's) advertise quite a bit looking for an operator. No one has stepped up. You can't "own" the rights to anything just to keep other companies out.
5/12/2012 9:19:32 AM
MarathonLogger says:
The market will decide if it will thrive. I'd say there's probably a study that shows an A&W will do fine, otherwise, it wouldn't be considered.

Personally, i'd rather see a "Five Guys" restaurant closer than Hermantown. I think it would probably do well around here.
5/11/2012 8:23:11 PM
Circular_Logic says:
Absolutely right Sandhawk! You can never be too rich, too thin or have too many high quality fast food joints.
5/11/2012 8:53:34 PM
brooky says:
Buy your own franchise and build what you want, where you want.
5/11/2012 9:51:28 PM
rootbear says:
WOOHOO! Congrats Larry! Move over McD's, there's a new player in town! Soon to be #1 in Canada.......burger bliss!
5/11/2012 4:02:49 PM
trent says:
Did you read the article? Harvey's is not coming here.
5/11/2012 4:23:56 PM
hadenough says:
This is good news, thank you for going to your senses Loblaws and a big thanks for the people that were working behind the scenes to make this work.
5/11/2012 4:09:25 PM
advocate says:
I only wanted this for the Harveys. I do not want another A&W or this to replace an old one.
5/11/2012 4:15:30 PM
hockeyskates says:
"Licks" is better. Advocate.
5/11/2012 5:27:53 PM
unknowncronic says:
still no RED LOBSTER :(
5/11/2012 4:16:40 PM
TBDR says:
facepalm... as arguments continue to rage over the fast food joint attached to the 5 Freakin Story Hotel!
5/11/2012 4:32:18 PM
advocate says:
I am not against the hotel and I think it is a good thing. I am just disappointed that we are getting another A&W instead of Harveys. I hear a lot of people saying the same. I do not think it is an overly negative thought.
5/11/2012 5:11:17 PM
wayne says:
I agree with both TBDR and hadenough's posts. I could care less what fast-food restaurant is being built next to the new hotel.
5/11/2012 4:42:54 PM
keiths31 says:
Exactly! It is development and jobs. Why complain over what food is served?
5/11/2012 4:50:41 PM
gwilson010 says:
Yes it is development, no one is complaining about that. The complaint is why a 4th A&W??? Something different would be nice. Even a second Arby's would be ok.
5/11/2012 5:57:28 PM
moonpie says:
And some of us really couldn't care less about yet another hotel in the city regardless of the # of minimum wage jobs it will bring. We need another hotel like we need another Macs mart.
5/11/2012 7:36:11 PM
jimmyboy says:
TBDR....curb your enthusiasm a wee bit there big guy...its only a hotel that will be paying a handfull of people minimum wage jobs in the end.

5/11/2012 5:32:07 PM
countrychick says:
I wanted the harveys just for something different! I do like a&w though.. looking forward to the other restaurant though.. wounder what it will be... a nice olive garden prehaps!!:))
5/11/2012 5:54:34 PM
Hoof Hearted says:
Set up a picket line and insist on a 200-room hotel and a Milestones or else we'll, um... blockade the airport... or, I don't know, ...uh, what? Just trying to complain like so many others in our City and Region.
5/11/2012 5:58:11 PM
peas08 says:
We aren't complaining about the hotel. We understand that it will bring jobs, we are simply saying we are bored with the same old song and dance.We already have 3 A&W here. It would be great to have some different options.
5/11/2012 6:23:41 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
I believe the conversation regarding the food was happening because these people live in Thunder Bay and have houses. Therefore the only attraction to them is a new restaurant as they won't be renting any hotel rooms.
Just Sayin.
Something new to town would have been a bonus.
5/11/2012 6:40:05 PM
Big Joe Mufferaw says:
That makes sense...maybe Superstore realized that it was making itself really they can go after Toy R Us!
5/11/2012 6:59:39 PM
wayne says:
unkowncronic, I believe the reason why there is no red lobster here is that the owners of our local Keg restaurant franchise secured the franchise territory rights to red lobster so that no one else could compete with them based on overlapping menus.
5/11/2012 7:34:50 PM
wayne says:
advocate said: "I only wanted this for the Harveys." really? you say you are not against the hotel but your love for Harveys was priority
5/11/2012 9:04:01 PM
advocate says:

There is a difference between what I will get my use out of it and what I like for the community. For the community, the hotel is a benefit. But I am not going to stay in the hotel. So I am happy with the hotel. I just would have preferred an Harveys.

5/11/2012 9:25:42 PM
Cdngravelhauler says:
Here we go again say one thing and everyone jumps down your throat,Been here all my life and thats all I see & hear, Afraid of change, We need more variety of restaurants & Shops, Why not have a Red Lobster? Olive Garden? and any of the 100 plus stores at the Mall of America would work here also, use you imagination what would you like to see here Bring back a boat cruise at the water front, Bring back the drive-in theater now that would be Different & entertaining Not more of the same, Enough is enough, Let this City grow Oh and anything that you build here creates jobs Too! NEXT!

5/11/2012 9:51:53 PM
wayne says:
let's just have no new retail and hospitality development in thunder bay. even though thunder bay had the highest occupancy rates with existing hotels. and this with no reliance on the waterfront money pit or proposed multi-tax centre
5/11/2012 10:05:02 PM
T.O.Guy says:
There are some real narrow minded thinkers on this site . Sure the hotel might only bring minimum wages , and we might get another burger joint we already have but any business coming into this town means extra tax revenue ! Those complaining probably dont pay property taxes imagine ?
5/11/2012 11:27:22 PM
moonpie says:
Or, try this one on, others think a little more outside the box and hope to see something new, progressive, something that will attract a crowd, rather than the same old humdrum beige paint on the wall crap we've been looking at for 50 years. I don't think I've ever seen more than 4 cars at a time at any A&W, honestly I don't even know how the memorial ave location has survived. And another hotel? I understand the forward thinking, the crowds will need a place to stay when they get here, but the question is... what crowds? The ones that are coming to see the huge rock concerts at the auditorium?
5/12/2012 8:21:09 AM
rootbear says:
umm-m-m...A&W's in Thunder Bay do quite well and have survived due to the operators. Parking lots do not indicate the success of the business. Never walk into a business and say, "boy, is it ever dead in here!" You never know what the day was like before you entered.
5/15/2012 1:41:01 PM
wayne says:
advocate, who do you think will stay in our hotels? tourists, people who will spend money in our local economy. and if you want to eat Harveys for every meal of your day, fine...just move outside of ontario so we don't have to pay for your coronary
5/11/2012 11:39:02 PM
advocate says:
You are really trying to twist my words and pull me into a fight that just makes no sense. Don't troll.
5/12/2012 1:54:52 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
I'm glad you too picked up on the childish behaviour or that poster. It's sort of like a hemroid or festering boil, annoying and you know it will go away. :)
5/13/2012 9:31:48 AM
A big hotel is lots O munay, companies just dont build them on a whim.
This is a sign of the economy picking up due to the ring of fire.
But people while its nice to have all the fast food joints, and processed foods, to avoid the thunder bay regional or a cardiac situation please limit you intake of said products you waist will thanks you.
5/12/2012 1:28:10 AM
riccardo57 says:
A&W is a great restaurant,Harveys sucks and Licks suck!!
5/12/2012 2:19:51 AM
imhere says:
Glad to see this is coming in after all. That's more jobs coming to the city - something we need. At this point I don't care if they are minimum wage - it all helps. It's nice to see positive growth.
5/12/2012 8:44:52 AM
localdog says:
You know you live in a hick town when a 5-storey hotel, an A&W and a Toys R Us get the 'hole' town excited.
5/12/2012 9:20:58 AM
animiki says:
Development doesn't have to massive and city-changing. Relatively small, incremental development that can be sustained is very good. It creates construction jobs and a demand for construction materials; it creates ongoing employment, a demand for local goods and services, and more tax revenue for the city. None of these things are bad. And it's not a zero-sum game...getting this development doesn't mean not getting something else.

So...there's a downside here?
5/12/2012 11:23:19 AM
Chaos says:
45 days to start building a hotel? No need for city to pay for infrastructure? Our waterfront hotel takes 5 years + 22 million of tax dollars to maybe happen? Why the difference and why isn't the city getting on Bova inc. to get the ball moving. This announcement confirms deal at waterfront is a fiasco.
5/12/2012 12:53:10 PM
analyst1 says:
Hey tsb, where do you get your stupid information from? You have no credibility whatsoever. You are a classic conspiracy moron. Nobody is preventing Harvey's from opening here. They have a franchisee here and they want 2 locations opened in Thunder Bay. I know this as an absolute 100% fact. And, for the complainers that don't think we need another hotel, guess what? We do. Our hotels our full a lot more often than you think. I know someone who got a room at a local mid-level hotel last Monday but could not keep the room for Tuesday night because it was full.
5/12/2012 11:24:14 PM
Cdngravelhauler says:
And they said back in the day (1930s)that this was suppose to be the next Chicago, LOL
5/13/2012 12:12:02 AM
simple plan says:
I really think Thunder Bay needs a "Hooters"
5/13/2012 12:15:33 AM
ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
This is great news, rather have 500 minimum wage hotel jobs then these silly call centers that keep popping up.
Any job growth in this town is positive.
5/13/2012 8:06:03 AM
HBK says:
I blame Dougall Media for creating all of the Harvey's hype in the first place: ,-Harvey's-coming.

I have been patiently waiting for the return of Harvey's for some time now and am disappointed at this display of irresponsible journalism...
5/14/2012 2:02:38 PM
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