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2012-06-13 at 17:38

Transit master plan will mean fewer transfers, less waiting: Union

By Jamie Smith, tbnewswatch.com
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Thunder Bay’s transit plan is still a few years away from being put to use, but it will be good news when it does, says the head of the local transit union.

City council approved the plan in principle earlier this month. One of the main changes will see a new route system with five key transfer points throughout the city. That will mean less transfers, more frequent service and decreased wait times.

Amalgamated Transit Union president Sheila Kivisto said the change will help everyone from riders to drivers.

As more and more people from college and university students to shoppers need service to different parts of the city, the current Water Street terminal to city hall corridor isn’t efficient anymore.

“The system isn’t working right now,” she said. “The old system can’t contain that anymore… (the new plan) is a very positive thing.”

The route change will call for a new central terminal somewhere in the intercity area. While no location or costs have been approved, the forecast calls for up to $7.9 million for the new facility.

City transit manager Brad Loroff said finding a sites and evaluating them will be the next step in the process with a recommendation expected before council in the fall. That means the plan probably won’t hit the gournd until around 2014.

“From a passengers perspective you wouldn’t be expecting to see any major changes to routing or the creation of a new terminal until somewhere around that timeline,” he said.

Kivisto said the current Lakehead Labour Centre would be her ideal location for a new terminal.
“We’d be right in the hub of the shopping centres and everything else,” she said.

Another major part of the plan is to try and increase ridership up to five million rides in the next five years. On top of unreliability and frequency of service, non-riders have said they don’t feel safe or comfortable taking transit. Loroff said that’s why there are calls for everything from heated shelters to better lighting in the plan.

With 49 busses currently, the plan does not call for more vehicles on the road to accommodate the 40,000 plus hours of increased service. Loroff said it’s hoped that the $2 million increase in operating costs will be offset by increased ridership.

The city will also use the plan to identify under-used routes such as Neebing and how to address them.

“What we’ll be looking at doing is not necessarily cancelling it altogether but taking a look at ways to revise the service,” Loroff said.

 

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ThunderBayFullOfCrime says:
LOL I bet bus fare ends up being $10 a ride soon
6/13/2012 5:55:53 PM
maxumpat says:
The price per ride needs to cover all these improvements. I doubt it would mean a ten dollar fare.
The city needs to provide public transportation but the users need to see that it is self sustaining.
We can't have buses running around with 2 or 3 people in them.
I really don't think that better routes or a new terminal will increase ridership to the point that transit would become profitable.
Its time to increase the fares to cover these costs.
Sorry to the people who use transit but its time to pay for the service provided.
6/13/2012 11:19:42 PM
Arch Stanton says:
The city will also use the plan to identify under-used routes such as Neebing and how to address them. What we’ll be looking at doing is not necessarily cancelling it altogether but taking a look at ways to revise the service" Loroff said.

Ah, that would be the one that none of us have ever seen - leaves after 9:30 am when everyone has already gone to work and returns mid-afternoon. Could anyone provide PROOF that it even exists?????
6/13/2012 6:05:48 PM
cabanaboy says:
Why cant they build this on the massive greenspace they already own beside the Main Terminal already. The Main Terminal is only a 1-2 minute drive from Intercity and can be monitored 24/7

As a business owner near the Proposed "Ideal" site I'm not for the terminal at the Labour Center at all. After 9 its quiet nobody walking around that isnt supposed to be. If this goes through, store owners best up their insurance coverage
6/13/2012 8:20:24 PM
wayne says:
As reported by TBNewswatch on March 6th, 2012:
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"A new centralized bus terminal would cost the city up to $7 million."
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Now it is $7.9 million. Let's call it $10 million when the 'real' costs come in.
6/13/2012 8:24:31 PM
sky high says:
Take a bus take a bus...take a bus take a bus and ride along with us!
6/13/2012 9:03:44 PM
Chaos says:
What's wrong with Water St. Terminal? Can't it be upgraded? Enough empire building for another city money losing department. Please use the existng infrastructure that we have already instead of building more public space that the City can't afford. 8 million to build plus annual losses to operate we just can't afford.

My other point is what happens if the students at LU and the College decide to not include a bus pass in their tutiton. It is a hotly debated issue that can go either way anytime. City transit should carve out those 12,000 or so students who were forced to buy a bus pass into their business plan instead of using those capitve "users" to over inflate their increased ridership. I am certain if you eliminate those students from their stats the number of users actually decreased over time.
6/13/2012 9:21:37 PM
Tim H. says:
Why is a public service trying to increase ridershio by 5 million riders over the next 5 years?

Have they forgot their purpose is to serve the public, and not to force the public to serve them?

These people have it so backwards and they are just out to serve themselves like most public paid employees.

Heated shelters? I hope they are kidding. Whats next, door to door service?
6/13/2012 10:21:24 PM
mazda323 says:
Transit already owns a huge piece of land where the current bus garage and main office is on Fort William Road. If they use that, they don't have to buy "new" land and they're still fairly close to the shopping district. If they have no plans to utilize that land, they should sell it to a company that will and we can quit paying taxes on it.
6/14/2012 12:35:03 AM
panzerIV says:
If this boom is coming and the 5000 or so houses we need to build is true then this is the opportunity to stop building out. Build in and up. Not only would our transit system be much better and service the community better but it would help with other things.

I know I would ride transit if the system was better and didn't take as long. I'm sure people would be more willing to hop onto a bus if it was more convenient and effective. Hopefully the city can implement this plan to move us into the future
6/14/2012 2:38:06 AM
unknowncronic says:
Should be titled "SOLID WASTE"
6/14/2012 3:17:52 AM
unknowncronic says:
There is enough room for that building right beside the bus garage on water street...Whats better than having the depot beside the garage??

Its centrally located & is already property of the city??

It makes too much sence for them I guess...seems they will have to buy a parcel of land, or figure some way to complicate this situation by adding million dollar art in the budget...





Why not make it the BUS DEPOT MULTIPLEX & build it on the outskirts of town?






Sounds like something that would happen....honestly itdoes!
6/14/2012 3:22:57 AM
Tiredofit says:
Let's hire a consultant to confirm this, I believe the new firm the city uses is Dewey, Cheatem & Howe. Other than that it really does sound like a good option. However you can bet the $7.9 million will balloon to $16 million. I'm sure he property alone will be $2 million if the city doesn't own it.
6/14/2012 6:41:04 AM
michaelnigharvey says:
if we require a new terminal building, how about just the bare bones. All we need is 4 walls and a roof. As a tax payer, I cannot afford to fund anymore fancy crap......
6/14/2012 7:53:05 AM
keiths31 says:
Never thought of the Labour Centre as a possible location. Is it even available? I am pretty sure the owners of that property are dreaming of big dollar signs as that is a pretty valuable piece of property now with all the development surrounding it.
What about the corner of the Expressway and Fort William Road that backs on to the CNR tracks? It is an empty lot. Would be more than enough room and is still close to Intercity Mall, Thunder Centre and the Wal-Mart development.
6/14/2012 8:16:05 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
7.9 million for a shelter that someone is going to spend 15 mins standing in while waiting for their bus. This kind of spending is why this city is going broke. A million dollars goes a long way if you don't hire the local mafia to do all your building. Oh, I forgot 1/2 that will be consultant fees.
Ridiculous amount of money to spend on a shelter.
6/14/2012 8:48:08 AM
brandnewlow says:
i hope this works!
6/14/2012 9:13:06 AM
Sandwiches1123 says:
There are several private bus and transit companies out there. Why don't we allow the private sector to meet the transit needs of Thunder Bay? (There is no text denoting sarcasm so don't get up in arms, it was a joke).

In all seriousness, why doesn't the City consider moving to the Northeastern and western corner of the Harbour Expressway and Fort William Road? It would cost much more but there could be an overpass or subway to walk across Fort William Road. This would allow a North-bound bus to stop on one side of the street and South-bound on the other thus avoiding left turns. Travelers coming from the West would be dropped off on the East side of Fort William Road. An express route could be developed from the Airport to the terminal and another Student Express could stop at Wal-mart, Superstore, University residence and the College residence. Then, regular routes after that
6/14/2012 10:17:31 AM
glock9 says:
When are we going to tear down the terminal at city hall its embarrassing.
6/14/2012 6:07:58 PM
TooGoodForTBay says:
"Loroff said it’s hoped that the $2 million increase in operating costs will be offset by increased ridership."

Hopes? That's what the residents of Tbag have to live with? The hope of a bunch of clowns?This comment pretty much sums up the mindset of Thunder Bay. Let's not actually do real calculations and estimates but instead, let's come up with an idea, put it in motion, and just HOPE it works out. If not, I'm sure someone will bail us out. But be sure if they don't, many will complain that it's Toronto's fault.

Thanks Tbag for my daily laugh.
6/15/2012 8:20:50 AM
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