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2012-07-13 at 11:00

Permit reminder

By Leith Dunick, tbnewswatch.com
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With flood repair work at full steam, a city official is reminding the public that much of the work may require a building permit.

Mark Smith, general manager of development services for the City of Thunder Bay, on Friday said minor work like the replacement of finishing, reinstallation of plumbing fixtures and things like minor drywall repair or replacement do not need city sanction.

But major work, like replacing or adding to structural elements, adding or removing large portions of drywall or vapour barrier or insulation, backwater valve installation and the replacement of plumbing drains, waste and vent systems will require a building permit.

“We thought it was important to get the word out to the community that while some work doesn’t require building permits, a lot of work does,” Smith said.

He stressed the reminder wasn’t issued because flood victims aren’t obeying the law.

“But I’m sure if people aren’t made aware of the fact they need permits for the work that they’re doing, that may certainly become the case.”

There’s also the do-it-yourselfers, he added.

“I’m sure a lot of the work that’s being done is being done by the homeowners themselves. But that doesn’t remove the need to have a permit for the work they’re doing.”

Without one, homeowners could find difficulties and reluctant buyers when it comes time to sell their property, Smith said, noting a permit, complete with pre- and post-work inspection, is also the safest route to go.

“There’s real value in getting a building permit. And I think the real value in having the plans reviewed prior to doing the work, and then having an inspector come out and look at the work that you’ve done, it increases everybody’s confidence that the work was done right,” Smith said.

For smaller projects, a building permit costs $50, while larger projects the price converts to one per cent of the value of the work being done.

“But much of the work that people are doing in response to dealing with the impact of the flood can be covered off on a $50 permit fee. And that fee may be eligible cost that people may be able to recover through the disaster relief assistance program.”

Smith said while it normally takes about two weeks to approve a building permit for new houses, they are doing their best to fast-track flood-related claims.

“Most permits, I’m pretty sure, we’ll be able to punch out in a couple of days,” he said.
 

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Lakeheader says:
Wouldn't it be a shame if the city lifted the fee for the permit during repairs?
7/13/2012 11:18:40 AM
The Beaver..... says:
The Ultimate Hypocrisy...please put your change in this pot at the Grocery store to help the Flood Victims,
The City and Smith should hang their head in shame.
7/13/2012 11:28:24 AM
grim reaper says:
Homeowners are reminding city officials that some of their flood repair work should require free building permits.
7/13/2012 11:38:10 AM
citizenreporter says:
Cash cow, it's a money grab plain and simple. Give the flood victims a break already, they have enough to deal with without having to apply for permits to fix their homes.
7/13/2012 12:15:18 PM
patti says:
The above news just makes me pull for the class action parties ~ sooooooooooo much much more.

Personally i would tell them to stick it !!!!!
7/13/2012 12:39:31 PM
Marak says:
I luckily didn't get any flood damage but if I did the city would be the last people to get a dime from me for permits!!!

We get gypped enough with taxes that if they can afford to spend so much money on Morse code flashing poles, they could forgo $50.00 for permits for flood victims!
7/13/2012 2:44:14 PM
trent says:
What is the city thinking? This is just rubbing salt in the wounds of flood victims. I agree with previous comments suggesting the city should wave the fee.
7/13/2012 2:56:28 PM
grumpee says:
I believe the city will do something regarding the cost of the permits but let's be realistic! Some type of permit will have to be pulled to ensure the work is done in accordance with proper regulations. By not pulling permits how is the city going to keep track of the work being performed and where?
7/13/2012 3:23:57 PM
hadenough says:
I would certainly hope that the City would forgo the fee for the permit.

Permits are necessary though so that proper inspections are done particularly for electrical, plumbing and structural. The permit is the means to track the work but I'm sure that the City could exempt the flood victims from paying the fee to process.
7/13/2012 3:34:32 PM
hadenough says:
While we are on the subject. Why is it neccessary to "out" something for the right thing to be done. I refer to the available housing at Lakehead and Confederation College not being available to flood victims until someone mentioned it here? There's other things as well such as that guy who was living in a tent in his back yard with no help from anyone until his situtation was brought to the attention here.
7/13/2012 3:39:22 PM
imhere says:
The fact that the university and college hadn't been cleaned out from students had nothing to do with it though, right? Also there was a school here from Duluth that had booked part of the dorms to stay in while visiting.
7/13/2012 4:40:08 PM
Doug Meyers says:
There may be some merit in the argument to waive the cost of the permit, but a permit should still be required. It ensures the repairs are appropriate and conform to the building code. As Mike Holmes says, a permit can be your best friend in keeping disreputable contractors away. It's not a perfect process but it can help.
7/13/2012 3:44:51 PM
KCDirtNorth says:
This is fairly insulting. The city caused this to happen with their negligence. Get a permit, but really, this is a disaster that could have been averted, so now they want to add insult to injury, that they caused? Unbelievable, no wait, it's Blunder Bay, very believable!!
7/13/2012 3:47:18 PM
DazeofThunder says:
I can't believe Mr. Smith even agreed to that newspaper interview. I would be absolutely embarrassed to have to make those statements and would have referred them to a Public Relations Officer....do we have one? I haven't seen anyone in the news that resembles one yet.
7/13/2012 4:29:33 PM
tsb says:
How DARE the by-laws apply to everyone! There should be an exception given even though there is no part of the law that declares when and how exceptions might be given!!!

We should also give them exceptions to the zoning and smoking by-laws!
7/13/2012 6:38:35 PM
Fluffy says:
Double money grab. Once when you get the permit and as soon as the permit is approved, the city notifies MPAC who will come and reassess your house after awhile and before you know it you are getting slapped with higher tax bills courtesy of our city council clowns and their ridiculous property tax rates. I think that's what this is all about. Increased revenue for the city coffers.
7/13/2012 8:39:57 PM
ruralmedic says:
by that same logic, get your home assessed by MPAC right now, with the water damage and gutted basement.. your taxes will drop like a stone in water...

generally, if you just replace what was damaged in your basement, you're not going to see a huge increase in house value. If you decide to go big by upgrading what was damaged, well then yes... your house will be more valuable..
7/18/2012 8:23:24 AM
theonlyopinionthatmatters says:
I agree the permit thing is BS, maybe this is a little jab back from the city about the lawsuit?
7/13/2012 9:07:43 PM
moonpie says:
"And that fee may be eligible cost that people may be able to recover through the disaster relief assistance program.”

So you pay the fee now, and most likely get it back at some point. I agree that permits should be obtained, especially when shoddy work can affect others in the future. If you were to buy a house in the east end five years from now that some do-it-yourself "fixed up" after this flood, you have no idea what you might be in store for. You'll wish they'd obtained a permit after an incorrectly installed sheet of drywall crumbles from the ceiling on to your kids head.
7/14/2012 9:34:12 AM
Marak says:
Inspectors don't check the "drywall" so if it's going to fall it will fall no matter what!

If inspections were still about inspections there would be no issue. What I have issues with are blatant money grabs! For instance, my last reno when I obtained my electrical permit from ESA. For 600 bucks (finishing an unfinished basement) I got a guy show up at my house for all of 30 seconds, check one plug and then he said good to go and I was able to finish my basement!!!

Now even factoring in the 10 probable minutes to drive to my house, 30 seconds inside and 10 minutes to his next customer at a generous $100.00/hr I should be out $34.00 and maybe add $50.00 for administration but NOT $600.00!!! Thank god the plumbing was done when I built the house!
7/14/2012 2:03:59 PM
wayne says:
six weeks after the flood, this 'reminder' is issued...what a joke!
7/15/2012 12:18:15 AM
tsb says:
The city probably assumed that flood victims would know the proper procedures for home repair. The victims probably assumed that they were above the law.
7/16/2012 5:38:07 PM
Joey Joe Joe Jr. Shabadoo says:

watching most homes putting water heaters back in thier basements is a shame & reliance is making a killing on every one!

Hope many have purchased thier own hot water tank or went "on demand" hot water as the "on demand" or "tankless" systems hang on the wall.

im sure cash is the issue for most, but i have a hard time seeing all these new furnaces/hot water tanks going right in the exact same spot, where they got flooded before.

Hope the furnaces/hot water tanks were lifted up in some way off the ground.

DOES THE CITY REALLY HAVE THE SEWER UNDER CONTROL?

What happens if it rains hard & floods again right before winter time? Imagine no heat for a while & or going thru the same ordeal in the cold?????

basement ice rinks???? hmmmmm would not b good!

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7/15/2012 12:46:36 AM
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