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2012-08-21 at 15:42

Offensive legislation: Union official not pleased with provincial proposal

By Jamie Smith,
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A provincial plan to legislate a wage freeze for educators is offensive, says a local union official.

MPPs are getting an early start at Queen’s Park next week to vote on the Liberals’ Putting Students First Act. The legislation would force education unions to accept a contract by Aug. 31 that would freeze wages for the next two years, take three unpaid professional development days each year and stop the practice of having unused sick days paid out.

That contract was accepted by the Ontario English Catholic Teachers Association and is considered a roadmap by the province for other unions to follow. But Ontario Secondary Schools Teachers Federation District 6A Teachers’ president Paul Caccamo said school boards and unions have been able to negotiate fair contracts for both sides using the province’s labour negotiation provisions for decades.

It’s a process that has worked well.

To legislate anyone to take a contract is unprecedented he said.

“I think it’s insulting quite frankly,” Caccamo said. "We firmly believe that (negotiation) should be happening now and the fact that the (education minister Laurel Broten) has stepped in and is going to circumvent that really shows a lack of respect for the collective bargaining provisions in this province and I think all working people should be offended.”

MPP Michael Gravelle (Lib., Thunder Bay-Superior North) said the province has worked hard to negotiate with the unions and that bargaining with OECTA took more than 300 hours.

OSSTF, along with the Elementary Teachers’ Federation of Ontario, chose not to negotiate.

“To sum it up (this legislation) hits the pause button on pay increases for the next two years and some other unions I think, as the public knows, chose not to bargain with the government. They walked away from the bargaining table,” Gravelle said.

The province warns that if the contact isn’t accepted by Sept. 1 when current contracts expire, it will be forced to have to continue with pay increases from that previous contract and allow for paying out unpaid sick days, which would cost the cash-strapped province $473 million. 

“We want to see that the funding that is available remains focused in the classroom and not, quite frankly, related to pay raises,” Gravelle said.

But Caccamo said unions are willing to negotiate, and that they’ve already offered to take the wage freezes.

“More than anything else we want to be able to sit down and have meaningful discussion s and negations as we always have to come to terms and we have even offered ideas that we have to save the province money,” he said.

There are five scheduled negotiation meetings in the next two months. Contracts expire all the time while negotiations are ongoing Caccamo said. The government knew that the contract was going to expire but instead of allowing the regular process to unfold, the province has decided to legislate instead.

“The fact that she’s (Broten) uncomfortable with them and is going to use legislation to get her way is certainly a grave concern to us,” he said.

Gravelle said he’s not sure whether the Progressive Conservatives or NDP will support the legislation, something that’s needed if the Liberal minority wants to get it through.

“I certainly can’t speak for the opposition,” he said. “Passing legislation in a minority government is tricky and it does require a real patience.”


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imhere says:
I don't think you should get paid out for unused sick days and you should need a note to show you were actually sick when you do take them to ensure it's not just a money grab.
8/21/2012 3:51:16 PM
michaelnigharvey says:
teachers wage freeze, boo hoo! My only income is from WSIB. Have had numerous surgeries due to my compensable condition. I get a half of one percent raise every year...and you can't live on the 12% raise you got over the last 4/6 years....again, boo hoo!!
8/21/2012 3:55:11 PM
DGN says:
You should not be complaining about what teachers have received in the past. A legislated wage wage IS unjust. Your complaint should be that your increases under WSIB are also unjust and that a full review of WSIB compensation should be looked at. These are two separate issues. The Ontario Liberals should be at the bargaining table with teachers to reach a fair settlement not legislating and shoving something down their throats, something that will cause larger problems in the future. This is a shameful act on their part as is your compensation through WSIB.
8/21/2012 4:41:00 PM
DGN says:
oops! That should have read "wage freeze" not "wage wage"
8/21/2012 4:49:18 PM
yqtyqt says:
Everyone will laugh at this, but this is one of the first things Mcguinty did that I actually agree with But what I didn;t agree with is Mcguinty cozying up to the working families coalition prior to the election

Let's face it teachers, you were duped by Dalton. Along with the new immigrants grant. Shouldn't surprise you, since he's been duping and lying to Ontarions for 9 years. Welcome to the club

But as far as teachers are concerned, all Ontario civil servants, including municipal and school board employees should be grateful that they have jobs and gold plated pension plans and extraordinary benefits. Even if the govts have under funded them and not disclosed the future liabilities

If Mcguinty had any backbone, he would just legislate a public servant freeze or rollback. But that would mean the end of several hundred thousand votes & his reign

Mr Premier, play hardball with all civil servants and call an end to the spending orgies. For the sake of future generations pls
8/21/2012 5:00:51 PM
baor says:
Perhaps your bitch should be with WSIB.
8/21/2012 7:59:41 PM
theangryone says:
I am a teacher and DAMN proud of it. I work hard each and every day of the school year. I put in MANY hours after work getting prepared for the next day. Other professions get OVERTIME for that! Hmmm. We are paid for only 10 months but have it stretched over 12 months. Our INCREASES keep up with inflation. If you hate a jobs with them for a month. Then we can speak again.
8/21/2012 4:36:57 PM
barrows says:
8/21/2012 8:00:07 PM
anon says:
Could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you through all the caps lock...

Teachers are overrated and deal with a lot of crap. They can make or break a child's future. I would expect the job that determines how our child fares in the real world gets some decent pay. Just wish we could fire the bad ones.
8/22/2012 2:43:58 AM
anon says:
8/22/2012 3:36:46 PM
baor says:
You shouldn't have outed yourself on this forum....just wait, you'll be hearing from the "anti's" soon, who think that anyone who is paid by taxpayers in any form should be lucky, are greedy , etc etc etc.
Good-luck and have a good school year.
8/21/2012 8:02:31 PM
Marak says:
Are you kidding me???

Be as proud as you want. I have two sisters in the teaching profession and I know they work hard and sometimes work extended hours with no overtime..but BUT look at the return. PAID sick days?? No one gets that anymore. SUMMERS off, kinda makes up for a few hours of OT. MARCH BREAK, CHRISTMAS, Every stat day off, no shift work, PD DAYS and 100k a year at the top scale to boot!!! Find another beer to cry in...With McSpendy and the feds taking well over 50% of our pay, no one can even afford beer (and that's insanely taxed as well) anymore!!! You guys (civil servants) better come to grips THE PROVINCE IS BROKE and you voted McRipoff in CONTINUOUSLY, he who likes to blow millions on Ornge, shut down power plants that are half built, a billion on e-heath, hundreds of millions on e-recycle just to name a few. WAKE-UP! You think the next Mike Harris who comes to power will be more generous!!! Good luck and you will have ZERO support from the public next time!
8/21/2012 10:58:24 PM
tudor says:
You must be joking. You wish to complain that you are only paid for ten months work. You are only working ten months. How much should you be paid?

As for extra hours, lots of people put in extra time, normally non-union types that don't get compensated, but not all of them have Christmas, March break, every stat, professional days and summers off. Yes, I could become a teacher, I didn't. I am not criticizing the profession, but please do not justify your position the way you have.

Teachers did not complain when their increases MORE THAN kept up with inflation after 8 years of battle with Mike Harris. Now you are asked to hold the line a little and to eliminate a golden retirement parachute that should have been removed years ago. Step up to the plate and sign the deal.

I work outside, in 40 below weather, or 90 above weather and it is dangerous. Come change jobs with me before issuing the challenge of doing your job.

Every teacher is overworked and underpaid. Amazing.
8/22/2012 6:32:00 AM
Dontlistentome says:
There is NO place for the typical union mentality anymore. 1000s of new, current, willing teaching graduates, and the Ontario taxpayer is being held hostage again by the greediest group in the province. Understand, I don't blame the average teacher directly, they are seemingly mere sheep to the union shepherd. You get bounced back in line pretty quick by that big union staff or your fellow, more brainwashed colleagues.

Unions are defunct and do nothing but greedily and grubingly grab at our economy. They monger fear and deception, worse now than the employers they were once set up to help protect the worker from.
8/21/2012 4:48:35 PM
humnchuck says:
Just because there are newly-trained teachers who may be willing to work at a lower wage (and would be paid as such by existing or past teacher contracts), does that make them a good choice? I appreciate the experience my son's teacher has to help make his classroom a great place to learn, just as I prefer an experienced mechanic, or carpenter, or lawyer, or doctor.
8/21/2012 5:42:46 PM
M A RAIL says:
Don't really feel too sorry for this group of far as unions go and all their power,that was in a previous time...only people with power nowadays are big companies that need to please the shareholder at all costs but cutting employees and increasing demands on the remaining people while still paying out millions in bonuses to some ceo that is likely no smarter than many of his many people benefit from the stockmarket? only a select few...far more losses than gains regardless of what your broker tells you
8/21/2012 11:20:32 PM
Dudebro says:
And we firmly believe that if you cared so much for your profession and the children you directly wouldn't pick this time of year when school is just about to begin to start this process of negotiating.
This just shows the true colors of the Unions and the greed using the children as leverage.
Unions belong in heavy industry such as railroads, mills, mines etc and certainly not schools or grocery stores for that matter!
Go to work and quit whining like real people do every day!
8/21/2012 5:25:56 PM
Tom Sanderson says:
"Unions belong in heavy industry such as railroads, mills, mines etc and certainly not schools or grocery stores for that matter!"
Please inform all the uneducated why you would make such a stupid remark such as above.
What the hell is so different between heavy industry, railroads, mills, mines and schools or grocery stores. Every kind of employment is entitled to having a union to represent and protect their profession. This Liberal government is in the process of eliminating unions. What then? Everyone comes on board at minimum wage and lives on the border of poverty. FOREVER! Enjoy it if you have it because the gravy train is going to come to a screeching halt for many professions when this current government is done. The government is starting the war by creating the Students First Act. Communism at its best. Control the people.
8/21/2012 6:30:53 PM
Dudebro says:
I'm sure if the teachers felt very strongly against the way they were being represented, they could stand up as a group at their union meetings and make it known how they require the negotiation process to go. Instead, they seem to follow whatever they're told is best for them and get led down the road causing all these problems.
Stand up to your union and start working to make things right.
8/21/2012 5:32:47 PM
twisted says:
michaelnigharvey, who do you think you are little man?? you know nothing about being a teacher or anything for that matter.... Go back to watching tv on the couch....
8/21/2012 7:05:09 PM
jb says:
Apparently, the vocal ones who always want more know nothing about the majority of people who pay their wages while living paycheck to paycheck and in some cases have more than one job. They also seem to think that they put in more hours and have to deal with more stress than everyone else. Maybe instead of the standard "you try teaching for a day if you think it's so great..." comeback, they should take their own advice and switch careers to see what it's like to live off of $10-$20 /hr job where you can't afford to take sick days, have to pay full price for your medications & prescriptions and sunny vacations are just a dream. I'm not saying a teacher shouldn't be paid a bit more than the average worker but the constant complaining when you are so much better off than the majority is a slap in the face to those of us struggling or who make just enough to get by.

8/22/2012 11:13:14 AM
analyst1 says:
Hey "theangryone", are you serious? Do you actually expect sympathy from the working majority? Your "extra time" put in is after your 9-3 M-F day that included lunch and more "prep" time. Your 10 months of pay stretched over 12 tops out at $95,000 annually. Cry me a river. You only work 10 months less Christmas break (2 weeks), March break (1 week) and plenty more time off. You currently get 20 SICK DAYS PER YEAR! Exchange jobs with you? Are you kidding me?? I, along with 90% of the population, would do it in a heartbeat. You and your colleagues have never worked a hot summer day in your life - and you never ever will until your golden retirement at 55. Tell me how many teachers you know that quit their jobs and went to work in the real world. The answer: ZERO. Why is it so hard to get into teacher's college? Because EVERYONE wants to be a teacher. Ontario teachers are the highest paid in the world. And yet you have basically have no accountability for better teaching. Rough life.
8/21/2012 7:12:41 PM
emma says:
"Exchange jobs with you? Are you kidding me?? I, along with 90% of the population, would do it in a heartbeat."

The question I have to ask about your comment is why don't you do it then? Maybe you don't want to pay $30 000 in schooling first, or maybe as your post indicates, your grades weren't good enough to get accepted into the program.

PS - I know 3 people (1 family, 2 friends) who have very recently given up their teaching careers after spending all that money on the degree because the job wasn't for them.
8/22/2012 10:37:29 AM
jimmyboy says:
someone please pinch me...I thought ll along I was residing in Canada...not Natzi Germany...if in times gone by the unions representing the teachers in Ontario successfully negotiated the number of sick days, wages etc. that the teachers now enjoy...all the moaning and groaning today is totally suck it up buttercup would be my thought to all the anti teacher comments and thoughts...or maybe for those who appear to be leaning on the jealous side of things...maybe try changing your career path...its never too late as it is seldom said to move to greener pastures...let me know how you make out in the long run if anyone decides to take on the job of a teacher...I would love to hear from you all.!
8/21/2012 7:35:18 PM
udecide says:
Students , when you return to class treat your teachers like you are being treated....THEY DONT CARE ......a very greedy bunch..CACCAMO calls it offensive... typical union talk from a very greedy person.....
8/21/2012 8:06:55 PM
wayne says:
"Those who can’t do, teach. And those who can’t teach, teach gym." ~ Jack Black, 'School of Rock'

Jokes aside, ALL civil servants should have a wage freeze, not just teachers.
8/21/2012 8:07:38 PM
silverado92 says:
Boo Hoo Hoo!!! You work 10 months a year???? Please !!! December is a movie month... March is a write off because you have a week off and need 2 weeks before to prepare for t... Lets talk end of May and all of June. Field trips, more movies play dates ... screw you bunch of overpaid whinners!!! Kids learn more from the internet that any of you!!!
8/21/2012 8:39:38 PM
tbay99 says:
And here come the anti-teacher rants! Weird how these rants are so much less prominent when discussing how much a firefighter for example makes yearly. Which might I add requires much less education and can often make much more then those darn evil teachers.
8/21/2012 8:59:28 PM
Big Head says:
Well the Angryone is teacher and that explains why some of them are a waste of time. You are paid for 10 months but it is spread out over 12! Wow! I guess it must be nice being paid for BEING OFF FOR 2 MONTHS! Well, collecting a pay cheque. It must be nice making $80-100K in 10 months! Then decide that's not enough. There are people making $30-40K/year that work all year. You babysitters are a waste of time. Quite your bitching and realize how good you actually have it. Don't get paid for O/T! Boo hoo! If you think you deserve more. Quit and get into the real world with your degree in geography or history. See where that gets you!
8/21/2012 9:00:57 PM
tadzup says:
Bunch of complainers. Go teach in the US where teachers get paid peanuts and have to work in an environment where there are metal detectors at every door, then come back here and complain about your cushy salary and 'hard' job.

I can think of many more issues that the province should be in uproar about. The liberal government is ruining Ontario - digging us into a pit of debt, turning us into a nanny state, and these people complain that they don't get their raise for a couple of years?? Give me a break.
8/21/2012 9:07:17 PM
akw says:
I respect the work that teachers do and appreciate all of the time, effort and patience they put into their jobs. I cannot sympathize with them though in being asked to take a wage freeze as I too am a 'provincial' employee; I've already endured my 2 year freeze. Those of us working in jobs that were effected by the wage freeze two years ago were assured that all provincial employees would eventually have to go through the same. So, sorry teachers - it's your turn. We survived and so can you.
8/21/2012 9:20:03 PM
debt collector says:
I have no issue with teacher salaries, my issue lies with the banking and paying out of sick days.

This practice needs to come to an end.

8/21/2012 10:20:25 PM
canadaboy2000 says:
These teachers unions are completely spoiled rotten. Its hard to believe people can be so out of touch.
They expect we taxpayers to work more so they can get paid to take "sick days" and more time off for 'professional development'. Do you get paid on a sick day? I know I sure dont. They already make between 50 and 100k a year, to work about 8 months actual work time.. do you? I sure dont. And I dont expect to either.. I just expect that my tax dollars dont be abused this way.
Kids can barely even read anymore when they get out of school, and they expect a raise. Unbelievable.
8/21/2012 11:02:20 PM
PersonaNonGrata says:
I'd be somewhat more sympathetic to the plight of these teachers if they gave up on their use of social engineering and agitprop in the classrooms, and resisting the desire of a growing number of parents to use charter / home/ religious schools; but since my taxes have been taken from me and spent on salary increases ratcheting up our deficit (or to be fair, given to bloated health care administrators or Global Sticks, etc.) as well as without any negotiations with me personally, I guess Mr Caccamo and those he represents are just getting a small taste of this lack of democracy themselves.
8/21/2012 11:17:47 PM
educational servant says:
Support staff are also considered part of this government's ridiculous legislation. Most are making less than $40000 as well as lay off periods for the March break, summer and Christmas. To work in the education field it requires at least two or more years of post secondary education. It is important that you pay attention to all of the facts. This is not about what teachers are making or their pension, it is about the right to negotiate fairly. Remember unions are what has made our working conditions in this country for all of us.
8/21/2012 11:22:54 PM
Thunderguard says:
After reading all of these comments no wonder teacher say it's a tough job. Dealing with kids of parents who write this nonsense in this forum.
8/22/2012 12:32:58 AM
Nonunion says:
analyst1 and big head all you have to do is go and get 4 years of universtiy education and your all set to take over. To everone else lets not forget what the unions have fought for over the years, vaction, pensions, health care and health and safety standards. Without the unions in place how long do you think it will be before companies cut all of this? The only reason they offer these packages is because of the unions. Otherwise who in their right minds would go and work for a company that didn't offer what union places get? They never offered it before the unions were in place and they will be quick to take it away. Leaving only the haves and the have nots...think long and hard about which group you would fit into.Yes on company excutives should be allowed to make a decent living...not anyone else right?
8/22/2012 5:34:46 AM
The Badger Mountain Hermit says:
They've been fattening themselves for ages now, Time to start doing a full, honest year's worth of work, like everyone else. Sorry, but the excuse that 'lil chilluns are desperately needed as summer farm labour is 100 years out of date. But the still cling to June, July, and August.
8/22/2012 7:12:40 AM
p.o.ed taxpayer says:
Teachers don't negotiate...they extort any gains they get...greed, greed!! They could care less if the rest of the people have to suck up more tax increases to help them improve their life styles...they are unreasonable in their demands as are most govt. employee unions....
8/22/2012 7:46:56 AM
Tom Sanderson says:
Read between the lines and you will note that most of the teacher haters are jealous..yes plain jealous. No I'm not a teacher but I am against bullying such as this current government is trying to do. This tactic won't just be applied against the teachers union, it is going to be used against many unions.
MP's and MPP's should take a cut in pay to help cut costs for the benefit of the people who voted them in.
8/22/2012 8:42:12 AM
wasaya says:
I'm not so sure teachers would be able to survive the wage freeze. The teachers I am familiar with, are the most financially irresponsible people I know. And also the biggest whiners around...oh poor me!!!
8/22/2012 9:04:00 AM
twisted says:
All you pathetic people here that criticize teachers dont understand a thing. Its up to them to raise your kids since you dont really seem to cars
8/22/2012 9:04:04 AM
twisted says:
its ok for a policeman to make 80000 plus overtime a year though?? teachers are responsible for raising your little kids that you don't care about... even though they don't really have a future like their parents.
8/22/2012 9:07:07 AM
ozone says:


Time to wake up and see the real world. Not the rose coloured world most (not all) teachers live in!

What is truly offensive is how much teachers are paid in this province compared with the actual work load. Lakehead is one of the highest paid boards in the province. Top end is 89k and you only work 8.5 months of the year with all the vacation and holidays.
Don't even get started on the trying to fire a unethical, lazy or incompent teacher in this province...IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

So I applaud Mr. McGinty for final trying to reform a corrupt teaching system that exists. The Globe and Mail outlined the problem with Ontario's education system. "It's not about the's all about protecting and glad handing teachers"


Now let's hear all the teachers post how overworked and truly trying their jobs are!
8/22/2012 9:23:34 AM
woofwoof says:
Yes I understand your job is not easy, Yes I get it is difficult to put up with some of the "off spring" out there. However you are already well compensated with a great salary and perks. Do you really care about the students or is it just greed?? I find that 0ffensive.
8/22/2012 9:32:53 AM
westfortscum says:
I've been getting dirty looks from motorists while driving my bike around the city because of the news. Now I wonder if the teachers will get dirty looks now because of this article.
8/22/2012 9:53:35 AM
passlake says:
how do I address every comment in 1000 characters??

WSIB sucks? not the teachers fault. complain somewhere else.

I married a teacher. 2-3 days per week it's 8am-10pm (marking, calling parents, planning, etc). More "OT" than many would suspect.

@Marak. so for all the wasteful spending McGuinty did (ORNGE, ehealth), somehow it's the teacher's fault and they should take a wage freeze? How about Bonuses to management. start there.

@analyst1. teachers leave to do other things. I know 3 that have. and teacher's college is hard to get into because too many people take degrees that have no usefulness in the real world (history?)

@tbay99. good point!

Let's be realistic here. Yes, the teachers have it pretty good. Do they need to take a hit on some things? Yes. However, to legislate them back to work is wrong.

Plus, at what point was the middle class responsible for the billions in debt we have?
8/22/2012 10:03:11 AM
Rob20 says:
I'm so tired of people bashing teachers, what they make, they hours they work & what their unions successfully negotiated for them in good faith. It's nothing but sour grapes. If you think teaching is so easy, such a walk in the park, so over paid and with such ridiculous benefits maybe you should have gone to school and got an education to become a teacher instead of whining and moaning how much better they have it than you in whatever your present job is. It's pathetic... stop wasting everyones time with your pity party. If the role was reversed you'd be trying to protect your imcome & benefits just like they did. It's not their fault our government is a bunch of irresponsible over spending money wasting good-for-nothings.
8/22/2012 10:23:52 AM
downtown says:
Boo Hoo is right. Someone has to decide that the students come first. My experience has been horrific with the education system. Of all the teachers my sons had maybe 3 were great, 3 okay and the rest useless and two harmful. I was told by a superintendent that his hands were tied and I believe that. Cashing in on unused sick days!!! What a sense of entitlement. It is always about them. Usually I am understanding but they expect so much and are so protected it leaves parents helpless. The only teachers I sympathize with are the good ones who have to work along side those that "play teacher". My special needs son was harmed by incompetent teachers who will never be held accountable. Maybe the union should concentrating on improving their lot before going to the well once again!
8/22/2012 11:01:46 AM
really??? says:
unused sick days?? really?? They are given to you if YOU ARE SICK. They allow you to stay home when you are sick in order to stop the spread of illness to others without having to worry about the financial loss of being ill. If you do not take them, they acccumulate. Yes, if you get a longer illness, then you have those sick days to cover you - nothing wrong with that, but to pay you out for not using them? NO.
yqtyqt - ""But as far as teachers are concerned, all Ontario civil servants, including municipal and school board employees should be grateful that they have jobs and gold plated pension plans and extraordinary benefits.If Mcguinty had any backbone, he would just legislate a public servant freeze or rollback. But that would mean the end of several hundred thousand votes & his reign""
As a public servant, I can tell you there is NOTHING gold plated - and there are cutbacks and freezes - Have you watched the news lately??
Teachers have a powerful union-essential service??
8/22/2012 11:27:49 AM
studentvoice says:
What ever happened to don't judge a book by it's cover? All of you are complaining about how teacher's accomplish nothing all day every day when you've never walked in their shoes. You're all grown-ups basing your knowledge of schooling from 20 or more years ago. Well we're in modern days now- enough pretending you know what goes on in the classroom. Do you think your kids want to come home from a long day and tell you about their long math lesson? How a teacher could've possibly changed their life that day? Do you want your kids entering this "irresponsible" society with no education or foundation? I want to know how many of you are lawyers or doctors etc? None because you wouldn't be on this website complaining- you'd be working. What about the word compromise? Are we not aloud to do that anymore? All Caccamo was asking for was a chance to negotiate their issues. Either grow-up and set an example for our future workers and educators or go back to school and learn some life morals.
8/22/2012 11:35:34 AM
nopatience4stupidity says:
A suggestion to TBnewswatch for their Comment system, with this very article in mind. The Agree button is great but presents only one side.

Please also provide a Disagree button. Currently the only way to oppose a comment is to reply with your own. I think being able to "Disagree" would better represent the readership opinion and help identify some of the whack-job commmentary out there.
Please consider it. Thanks.
8/22/2012 11:55:36 AM
eddylives says:
So sad to read all these comments and many are wearing blinders.
This goes far beyond the teacher dispute and will create a nightmare for the masses for years to come.
This is only the beginning of a downward spin that will end in disaster.

BTW....go teachers , many of us are able to read between the lines and support you.
8/22/2012 12:08:01 PM
downtown says:
Some of us are on vacation. Vaction is not just for teachers! LOL And not all of us are making reference to 20 years ago. Of course teaching is difficult. Children bring a variety of issues to school that require more than a teacher. Their job is difficult. BUT....they are not the only ones with difficult jobs. I would like to see them hold their own accountable. If there is such pride in their work as a whole I'd think they would want accountability. When I hear comments suggesting others should have been teachers if they want to benefits.........I cringe. I myself didn't pick my career based on benefits or wage and those who do....well I question their true dedication. I vote for fairness for all, even teachers, but I'd sure like to see some gratefulness expressed my them.
8/22/2012 12:17:57 PM
lonewolf9 says:
Knowing most teachers and the way they spend money...they should have plenty of nickels put away for a rainy day.
8/22/2012 12:28:22 PM
rdoyle says:
I wasn't going to comment however some of the dumb(Fill in the rest) comments are unreal. As a husband of a hard working teacher.

First off its Dalton McGuinty making the fear of a strike. Teachers haven't said anything about a strike or disruption to students so the "Put Students First Act" is just plain STUPID. Teachers have always put students first.

To the people that say teachers are OVER paid. I will make a few comments and YOU figure it out. Ask your self these questions for real.

Do you have to buy materials out of your own pocket for your job? I doubt it. You will ask your boss for the money back or you won't get it. Teachers are always paying for materials for projects and lessons for the students. My wife and I have paid a thousand dollars or more out of our own pockets each school year for the students.

8/22/2012 1:08:13 PM
rdoyle says:
What is your normal time for work (9-5 etc?) Most teachers I know go in way before the students and stay a lot longer after plus they go in on Saturdays and Sundays. Do you go into your job site and do work without being paid? I doubt it again. You will want for every penny you work but many teachers don't.

"Teachers have 2 months off in the summer" LoL YEAH RIGHT. My wife and many teachers stay 2 weeks after school is out and go back 2-3 weeks before the OFFICIAL start of the school year to get the classrooms ready. ALSO YOU get to pick when your holidays are Teachers DON'T.

Ohhh you have X numbers of sick days. Have YOU been around kids that are sick? I doubt it you pawn them off on society and teachers. So yeah they need sick days for the viruses they get.

Did you PAY to go to school for your job? Doubt it. So yeah go to school get an education get more money.

I do agree that the banking of sick days need to be taken away and I have never been in favor of that system.
8/22/2012 1:13:11 PM
meta says:

We do have a teacher in the City working a second paid public job as Councillor for Current River and high school teacher at Superiorview. It already happened.

How one can be a teacher full time and work on City Council baffles me. They have all sorts of meeting during the normal work day. That is a question that needs to be answered.
8/22/2012 1:14:52 PM
Papercut says:
I had a letter to the editor published in the Chronicle Journal a few years ago. I did a bit of research at that time and the results were startling to me and those I have spoken with:

When you look at a 187 day school year (Lakehead Board)...a techer at the top of the scale MAKES $95.xx PER HOUR OF CLASS TIME.

With the summer's off (I have several teaching friend's and they all rub that in!) Christmas, March Break , PD days, Stat holidays off....

Wow....I honestly think it is time to step back, and realize just how good you have it!

PS: hit the nail on the head...ask any waiter/waitress about teachers....and how they are too cheap to tip...LOL!
8/22/2012 2:08:03 PM
humnchuck says:
As per the Education Act, Ontario has legislated 194 school days since at least the mid-90s. For the last ten years at least as well, PD days are assigned and controlled by school boards for mandatory additional teacher training.

8/22/2012 2:50:28 PM
reignmaker says:
Other people who work in the school board have to go on EI in the summer due the their much lower wages in the schools. Teachers? Nope.

The people saying that complainers should just become teachers are ridiculous. The teachers already there do everything they can to make sure new teachers don't get in (retired teachers collecting full pensions and teaching as a supply fulltime seems fair, right?.

Anyone making the argument that this has anything to do with teachers standing up for the other employees of school boards is delusional.

For the amount of quality teachers that actually get to teach vs the terrible ones who got in because they are related to someone, there is no way that the current teachers should make as much as they do.

Comparing them to the cops and firefighters that make a ton of money is odd. Considering those cops and firefighters work all year, with shift work AND tremendous fears for personal safety; the comparison is insulting to those professions.
8/24/2012 10:08:35 AM
Dragonfly says:
Actually..the children are not difficult. The political nightmare is what is wrecking the profession. This judgemental crap about public sector workers picking up the slack for bad budgeting of past mistakes? Where is the give from the other professions?
8/24/2012 10:28:32 PM
i think the teachers can afford a wage freeze for a few years, time are tough.
I am sure as cerebral individuals they can see this.
8/27/2012 3:59:30 PM
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